September 2001 - VOLUME 22 - NUMBER 9
An Interview with Neil Watkins
Neil Watkins is coordinator of the World Bank Bonds Boycott, an international grassroots campaign that is building political and financial pressure on the World Bank in the spirit of the anti-apartheid movement.
| With the South African divestment movement, there was an upsurge of political and moral pressure, and were trying to create the same kind of pressure around the World Bank, which until very recently has not been a well known institution. |
Multinational Monitor: What is the World Bank bonds boycott? It was launched in August 2000 by leaders of Global South economic and
environmental justice movements. It has been spreading across the U.S.
and other parts of the world for the past year. The campaign is based on the fact that the World Bank gets about 80 percent
of its funds by issuing bonds on the private financial market. These bonds
are purchased by a wide range of institutional investors. Weve been
focusing on getting city governments, trade unions, churches, socially
responsible investors and others to adopt policies against buying World
Bank bonds. The campaign is organized very much in the spirit of the anti-apartheid
divestment. Were trying to build similar pressure on one of the
main institutions that promote corporate globalization the World
Bank. MM: Are you asking institutions and people to sell bonds? However, a number of institutions have decided to divest as part of this
effort, including the Unitarian Universalist General Assembly, which voted
to divest this summer, as well as the Marianist brothers and priests and
a number of smaller churches and religious orders. It is harder for a city government or university to divest, because of
concerns about their fiduciary responsibilities. We want to get as many
pledges from the broadest possible range of groups. Thats why were
focusing on the boycott rather than calling for divestment. MM: How widely held are these bonds? MM: Are individuals who have some modest holdings in the stock
market likely to have these bonds as part of a mutual fund? MM: Why is the Bank in the business of floating these bonds if
its getting contributions from national governments? There are two main branches of the World Bank that lend money directly
to governments the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development
(IBRD) and the International Development Association (IDA). The IBRD,
which makes loans to low and middle-income country governments at rates
that are slightly below market interest rates, is about 95 percent bond
financed. In the IBRD you find most of the structural adjustment
programs, which are the kinds of programs that have been of much concern
in the Global South for years programs that push governments to
privatize industries, open up their economies to foreign investors with
few restrictions and other measures. Right now about half of the IBRDs
lending goes towards structural adjustment. IDA is financed by government contributions. IDAs loans go to the
very poorest countries at below market rates. MM: If the boycott becomes successful and a substantial number
of institutional investors agree to stop buying the bonds, what effect
would that have on the Bank? The campaign is based on the anti-apartheid divestment movement model.
What worked in terms of generating public awareness and sensibility about
the impacts of apartheid was the fact that thousands of churches and universities
and city governments and a whole cross-section of the country over a number
of years decided not to invest in corporations that did business in South
Africa. There was an upsurge of political and moral pressure in that movement
and were trying to create the same kind of pressure around the World
Bank, which until very recently has not been a well-known institution
it has escaped the light of public scrutiny. Over time, as we get more of the larger institutional investors, we think
well have a financial impact. We now have five city governments.
As we get other city governments, state governments, other larger pension
funds, we think we will start to have a larger financial impact. Weve already seen some indication that the Bank is concerned at
a financial level. When we got the Calvert Group, one of the largest socially-responsible
investment firms in the country, to adopt the boycott last year, we heard
that the Banks financial department the folks who have to
worry about protecting the Banks AAA-rating expressed some
concern. It doesnt take too much to worry the Bank. A lot of what supports
the Banks AAA-rating is psychological. If we can grow the campaign
and get a wide range of institutional support, over the long term the
bigger financial threat will create some leverage for change. MM: What does it mean if the Bank loses its AAA-rating? MM: What are the demands of the campaign? The second demand is unconditional 100 percent debt cancellation for
impoverished countries, following the demand of the global Jubilee movement.
Our third demand is an end to all environmentally destructive projects,
especially oil, gas and mining lending from the Bank Group, as well as
an end to lending for dams that have forced relocation as part of the
package. Those are our central demands. Were trying to make it clear
that these are the demands of many of the groups around world that are
fighting World Bank and IMF policies. MM: Have you had any interaction with the Bank since launching
the boycott? Their response has evolved over the year and a half since we launched
the campaign. At first, their line to the press was that the campaign
would hurt the poor and wouldnt affect them. Theyre now changing
their tune a little bit. Theyre finding out where city councils
are considering the boycott and sending officials out to those cities
to lobby against the resolution. While they at first said this doesnt bother us, its
clear now that it does they have either dispatched a representative
or devoted staff time to trying to stop the resolution when it has been
introduced in a number of cities, including Boulder, Los Angeles and Madison.
MM: Who in the Global South is supporting the campaign? Now theres an active international coordinating committee on the campaign with people from 11 countries, representing a wide range of issues, but mostly focused on debt, development or environmental issues. That group is really the group that is framing the political demands of the campaign. |
The World Bank bond boycott campaign is based on the fact that the World Bank gets about 80 percent of its funds by issuing bonds on the private financial market. |